She'lock Holmes
Senior Member
Lebanon > Damascus > Abroad
Northern Lev. Arabic (mostly Syrian)
- Sep 18, 2017
- #1
Hello everyone,
I've been trying to squeeze the difference between these different IPA vowel-sounds (that is:/ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/) and it's taken a while with no improvements.
1-Is there actually a difference between them
2-If the answer is yes, what is it?
Hermione Golightly
Senior Member
London
British English
- Sep 18, 2017
- #2
Pleaase give us some sentences as examples, and tell us what variety of English interests you most.
JulianStuart
Senior Member
Sonoma County CA
English (UK then US)
- Sep 18, 2017
- #3
The wikipedia article has audio of the vowels
Vowel - Wikipedia
(For iPad or iPhone users, open the link in an app called "Wikipanion" to hear the sounds)
She'lock Holmes
Senior Member
Lebanon > Damascus > Abroad
Northern Lev. Arabic (mostly Syrian)
- Sep 18, 2017
- #4
tell us what variety of English interests you most
I am interested in British English.
Pleaase give us some sentences as examples
British cat
cat | Definition of cat in English by Oxford Dictionaries
/kat/
British cart
/kɑːt/
cart | Definition of cart in English by Oxford Dictionaries
American cat
/kæt/
cat | Definition of cat in US English by Oxford Dictionaries
I can get that /kɑːt/ is just a longer /kat/, but I can't get what is that last third sound different from the others.
The wikipedia article has audio of the vowels
Vowel - Wikipedia
Thank you very much, but can you summarise it?
natkretep
Moderato con anima (English Only)
Singapore
English (Singapore/UK), basic Chinese
- Sep 18, 2017
- #5
/ɑː/ as in father is a long, back vowel. The tongue is raised further back. You can hear this in southern English pronunciations as well as American English. (In northern England and in Australia, you probably won't hear the back vowel.)
For /æ/ and /a/, please look at this thread: pronunciation: /æ/ vowel (as in TRAP)
JulianStuart
Senior Member
Sonoma County CA
English (UK then US)
- Sep 18, 2017
- #6
She'lock Holmes said:
tThe wikipedia article has audio of the vowels
Vowel - Wikipedia
Thank you very much, but can you summarise it?
I hate pronunciation threads - using words to illustrate sounds would only work if any given word is pronounced identically by everyone
That's why audio is helpful - and no it's not possible to summarize audio files - the whole idea is to listen to them
Cenzontle
Senior Member
English, U.S.
- Sep 18, 2017
- #7
I went to the recommended audio demonstration of "open front unrounded vowel" and found three symbols (are they equivalent?):
a
a̟
æ̞
...and the audio struck me as none of the above, but rather a perfect example of
[ɑ]
as in my rendition of "father".
I'm with JulianStuart in hating pronunciation threads: we can only say what rhymes with what.
And in this case even the audio was not helpful.
dojibear
Senior Member
Fresno CA
English (US - northeast)
- Sep 18, 2017
- #8
I use this web page for the sounds of IPA symbols. Click on any symbols and it speaks it, without moving the page:
IPA Chart with Sounds | International Phonetic Alphabet Sounds
I use this page for the sounds of English. It has AE clips of each example word, and BE clips of many of them:
The sounds of English and the International Phonetic Alphabet | Antimoon
JulianStuart said:
I hate pronunciation threads - using words to illustrate sounds would only work if any given word is pronounced identically by everyone
I agree. In fact I !!
natkretep
Moderato con anima (English Only)
Singapore
English (Singapore/UK), basic Chinese
- Sep 18, 2017
- #9
To listen to the difference between /a/ and /æ/, listen to an old fashioned southern British pronunciation say from 1950 and a current pronunciation. An old fashioned British pronunciation has /æ/, and young listeners might think an old-fashioned 'cat' sounds more like 'ket'.
Go here, for instance: Funny old vowels
JulianStuart
Senior Member
Sonoma County CA
English (UK then US)
- Sep 18, 2017
- #10
dojibear said:
And both play on my iPad so
Cenzontle
Senior Member
English, U.S.
- Sep 18, 2017
- #11
Thank JulianStuart you for that audio vowel chart! A great resource.
But...do you hear a difference between its [ɐ] and its [ʌ]?
Or between its [ɔ] and its [ɒ]?
If so, your hearing is sharper than mine.
She'lock Holmes
Senior Member
Lebanon > Damascus > Abroad
Northern Lev. Arabic (mostly Syrian)
- Sep 18, 2017
- #12
I hate pronunciation threads - using words to illustrate sounds would only work if any given word is pronounced identically by everyone
That's why audio is helpful - and no it's not possible to summarize audio files - the whole idea is to listen to them
I was merely looking for a pronunciation of a sound(sounds) in IPA, I don't -might be mistaken- believe there is any difference whatsoever in IPA from American or British point-of-view.
Just putting few words with the different sounds (as long they have the vowel sounds) even if it's from non-British/American English would have been enough.
Or copy-pasting the specific sounds in the link.
I use this web page for the sounds of IPA symbols. Click on any symbols and it speaks it, without moving the page:
IPA Chart with Sounds | International Phonetic Alphabet Sounds
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To listen to the difference between /a/ and /æ/, listen to an old fashioned southern British pronunciation say from 1950 and a current pronunciation. An old fashioned British pronunciation has /æ/, and young listeners might think an old-fashioned 'cat' sounds more like 'ket'.
Go here, for instance: Funny old vowels
That's perfectly what I wanted, thanks!
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JulianStuart
Senior Member
Sonoma County CA
English (UK then US)
- Sep 18, 2017
- #13
Cenzontle said:
Thank JulianStuart you for that audio vowel chart! A great resource.
But...do you hear a difference between its [ɐ] and its [ʌ]?
Or between its [ɔ] and its [ɒ]?
If so, your hearing is sharper than mine.
I didn't listen to them all - I just downloaded the wikipanion app and confirmed I could hear sounds on my iPad Next time I'm waiting for plane I'll compare that site with the two that dojibear linked to, for consistency!
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