pronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (2025)

She'lock Holmes

Senior Member

Lebanon > Damascus > Abroad

Northern Lev. Arabic (mostly Syrian)

  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #1

Hello everyone,
I've been trying to squeeze the difference between these different IPA vowel-sounds (that is:/ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/) and it's taken a while with no improvements.
1-Is there actually a difference between them
2-If the answer is yes, what is it?

  • Hermione Golightly

    Senior Member

    London

    British English

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #2

    Pleaase give us some sentences as examples, and tell us what variety of English interests you most.

    JulianStuart

    Senior Member

    Sonoma County CA

    English (UK then US)

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #3

    The wikipedia article has audio of the vowels
    Vowel - Wikipedia
    (For iPad or iPhone users, open the link in an app called "Wikipanion" to hear the sounds)

    She'lock Holmes

    Senior Member

    Lebanon > Damascus > Abroad

    Northern Lev. Arabic (mostly Syrian)

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #4

    tell us what variety of English interests you most
    I am interested in British English.

    Pleaase give us some sentences as examples

    British cat
    cat | Definition of cat in English by Oxford Dictionaries
    /kat/

    British cart
    /kɑːt/
    cart | Definition of cart in English by Oxford Dictionaries

    American cat
    /kæt/
    cat | Definition of cat in US English by Oxford Dictionaries

    I can get that /kɑːt/ is just a longer /kat/, but I can't get what is that last third sound different from the others.

    The wikipedia article has audio of the vowels
    Vowel - Wikipedia

    Thank you very much, but can you summarise it?

    natkretep

    Moderato con anima (English Only)

    Singapore

    English (Singapore/UK), basic Chinese

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #5

    /ɑː/ as in father is a long, back vowel. The tongue is raised further back. You can hear this in southern English pronunciations as well as American English. (In northern England and in Australia, you probably won't hear the back vowel.)

    For /æ/ and /a/, please look at this thread: pronunciation: /æ/ vowel (as in TRAP)

    JulianStuart

    Senior Member

    Sonoma County CA

    English (UK then US)

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #6

    She'lock Holmes said:

    tThe wikipedia article has audio of the vowels
    Vowel - Wikipedia

    Thank you very much, but can you summarise it?

    I hate pronunciation threads - using words to illustrate sounds would only work if any given word is pronounced identically by everyone pronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (7)

    That's why audio is helpful - and no it's not possible to summarize audio files - the whole idea is to listen to them pronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (8)

    Cenzontle

    Senior Member

    English, U.S.

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #7

    I went to the recommended audio demonstration of "open front unrounded vowel" and found three symbols (are they equivalent?):
    a

    æ̞
    ...and the audio struck me as none of the above, but rather a perfect example of
    [ɑ]
    as in my rendition of "father".
    I'm with JulianStuart in hating pronunciation threads: we can only say what rhymes with what.
    And in this case even the audio was not helpful.

    dojibear

    Senior Member

    Fresno CA

    English (US - northeast)

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #8

    I use this web page for the sounds of IPA symbols. Click on any symbols and it speaks it, without moving the page:

    IPA Chart with Sounds | International Phonetic Alphabet Sounds

    I use this page for the sounds of English. It has AE clips of each example word, and BE clips of many of them:

    The sounds of English and the International Phonetic Alphabet | Antimoon

    JulianStuart said:

    I hate pronunciation threads - using words to illustrate sounds would only work if any given word is pronounced identically by everyone pronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (11)

    I agree. In fact I pronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (12)pronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (13)pronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (14)!!

    natkretep

    Moderato con anima (English Only)

    Singapore

    English (Singapore/UK), basic Chinese

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #9

    To listen to the difference between /a/ and /æ/, listen to an old fashioned southern British pronunciation say from 1950 and a current pronunciation. An old fashioned British pronunciation has /æ/, and young listeners might think an old-fashioned 'cat' sounds more like 'ket'.

    Go here, for instance: Funny old vowels

    Cenzontle

    Senior Member

    English, U.S.

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #11

    Thank JulianStuart you for that audio vowel chart! A great resource.
    But...do you hear a difference between its [ɐ] and its [ʌ]?
    Or between its [ɔ] and its [ɒ]?
    If so, your hearing is sharper than mine.

    She'lock Holmes

    Senior Member

    Lebanon > Damascus > Abroad

    Northern Lev. Arabic (mostly Syrian)

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #12

    I hate pronunciation threads - using words to illustrate sounds would only work if any given word is pronounced identically by everyone pronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (22)

    That's why audio is helpful - and no it's not possible to summarize audio files - the whole idea is to listen to them pronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (23)


    I was merely looking for a pronunciation of a sound(sounds) in IPA, I don't -might be mistaken- believe there is any difference whatsoever in IPA from American or British point-of-view.
    Just putting few words with the different sounds (as long they have the vowel sounds) even if it's from non-British/American English would have been enough.
    Or copy-pasting the specific sounds in the link.

    I use this web page for the sounds of IPA symbols. Click on any symbols and it speaks it, without moving the page:

    IPA Chart with Sounds | International Phonetic Alphabet Sounds

    --
    To listen to the difference between /a/ and /æ/, listen to an old fashioned southern British pronunciation say from 1950 and a current pronunciation. An old fashioned British pronunciation has /æ/, and young listeners might think an old-fashioned 'cat' sounds more like 'ket'.

    Go here, for instance: Funny old vowels

    That's perfectly what I wanted, thanks!

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    JulianStuart

    Senior Member

    Sonoma County CA

    English (UK then US)

    • Sep 18, 2017
    • #13

    Cenzontle said:

    Thank JulianStuart you for that audio vowel chart! A great resource.
    But...do you hear a difference between its [ɐ] and its [ʌ]?
    Or between its [ɔ] and its [ɒ]?
    If so, your hearing is sharper than mine.

    I didn't listen to them all - I just downloaded the wikipanion app and confirmed I could hear sounds on my iPadpronunciation: /ɑː/, /æ/ and /a/? -IPA vowel sounds- (25) Next time I'm waiting for plane I'll compare that site with the two that dojibear linked to, for consistency!

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